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 | | Posted by: A. Glenn Brady | 4/1/2008 | We’ll return later this month with the “Obama Watch” as we examine the results of the Pennsylvania primary, but I want to discuss some other important issues that is before us. This week’s blog… “Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore?” ...... Last month Detroit’s ‘hip-hop’ Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was charged with eight counts, including perjury, after explicit text messages with his former chief-of-staff (who was not his wife) were made public. We also discovered last month that New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, who made his name as a prosecutor of Wall Street corruption and an image of uprightness, had to resign in shame after it was discovered through a federal wiretap that he had arranged booking a high-priced prostitute. But then just hours after replacing Eliot Spitzer, incoming New York Governor David Paterson, the state’s first and the only third African-American to become a governor since U.S. Reconstruction, has a news conference with his wife when they “both” admitted having several extramarital relationships. These are just the most recent of revelations. As reported this month in The Christian Post, “A recent study by USA Today/Gallup Poll surveying attitudes on marriage and infidelity found that more than half of Americans, or 54 percent, know someone who has an unfaithful spouse. But there is a significant difference between whether Americans know instances of infidelity and whether they consider it acceptable. In a different study released earlier this month by Ellison Research, more than 8 in 10 Americans said they believe adultery is a sin. Adultery topped the list of what respondents thought of as sinful behaviors – above racism, drugs, and abortion. Meanwhile, a 2007 study by Pew Research Center found that 93 percent of Americans believe faithfulness is the key to a successful marriage.” With an ever increasing divorce rate amidst the increasing acceptance of sexual promiscuity, my question is “do marriage vows mean anything?” Different traditions within the Christian faith each have a standard exchange of vows, which except for a few words that don't vary much. Let’s examine the most common marriage vows in the Christian faith: à "Do you, __ take __ to be your (wife/husband)? Do you promise to love, honor, cherish and protect her/him, forsaking all others and holding only unto her/him?" ("I do") à "I __ , take thee __ , to be my (wife/husband) to have and to hold, in sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer, and I promise my love to you.." à "With this ring, I thee wed; all my love, I do thee give." à Episcopal, Lutheran and Methodist vows all specify taking one's spouse "to live together after God's ordinance in the Holy Estate of matrimony.”
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By Franklin Rutledge on 4/4/2008 | | Let me start out by saying thanks for a blog where Christians can interact and discuss topics and get feel back from like minded people. Vowing is very important. It holds the same merit and integrity universally. Therefore, whether it is marriage or raking someone’s yard, we are bound by our commitment. The marriage itself without any cultural vows is complete fidelity. Whether we are Christians or pagans, the institution of marriage was created by God for mankind. Mankind is expected to abide by the principle of the marriage institution. From the beginning it was so. After sin came into the world the heart of humanity became hard and infidelity became a norm. For those that didn’t practice it physically, Jesus said that had if they looked on a woman to lust after her. He showed the people their hypocrisy in not understanding that sin is first inward. Job summed it up by saying, “I made a covenant with mine eyes, why then should I look upon a maid.” Job 31:1. Without reservation or justification of the hidden lust in our hearts, the sanctity of the fidelity in the marriage institution automatically carries total commitment. There should never be a time when we should say the marriage vows should be violated. |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By Bishop Keith on 4/5/2008 | | Very well put Franklin. My response would be along the same line. Just did not have the time to post first. I had a discussion with a preacher once and he said the words of Jesus about lloing on a woman to lust is not trhe same as doing the sexual act. What do you say to that? |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By Michelle Nelms on 4/5/2008 | | Since I'm not married myself, I can't really comment on the subject, but what I found interesting is what my pastor said during our Tuesday bible class. He'd said, "A WOMAN'S GOOD LOOK AND A MAN'S PAYCHECK IS NOT GOING TO KEEP THE SPOUSE HOME OR FAITHFUL." With that in mind, he taught us what every married couple will need to do, that is to build an altar before God and then lay their marriage vow upon the altar before God in sacrifice; truly committing their heart before God, and before their spouse in prayers. It's so important that God truly be the head of our home, work, and in every aspect or positon of our life.....Like I said earlier, I'm not married, therefore I can't judge anyone nor myself on how, or why someone remains committed or not.That's why It's going to take a GOD to keep a beautiful relationship intack. I personally believe beside Jesus giving His Life for ours that marriage is the most wonderful gift given to man by God.....And the thought of destroying that gift has to be the most painful of all. |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By @ on 4/6/2008 | | I think the question should be "WILL MARRIAGE VOWS BE FOLLOWED? We know that marriage vows means everything to most people, but will it be enough to follow in todays society? I notice a person with high ambitions and power, and who has the temperament of being a people person, too friendly(touchy), carefree, dare devil, risk seeker is more likely to had been reported to engaged in extramarital affairs. The thrill of pleasure without getting caugt. A person who lies is also likely to engage in extramarital relationship. I believe when a person lies, he or she over time will lose respect for the significant person in his life, even if its a lie to avoid hurting that person's feelings until gradually the lying person began feeling unhappy and trapped, and become more deceptive towards the person in the relationship, where the lying person finally develop mental affairs(which could lead to physical affairs) with another person that he or she feels happy with, and does respect. |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By Brandon on 4/7/2008 | | I think that marriage vows are losing there sacredness in my generation. I can recall watching one of the television shows on TV1, a Black owned tv station on a Black show, and heard a young man say something along the lines of marriage doesn't mean much. With television and society promoting "shacking up" people may see no need to get married. I believe poeple are scared to be responsible. I know that a lot men in America are scared of the fact that they will be with that one woman for the rest of there lives. They see it more as being stuck. I see it as not wanting to be accountable to anyone. So do I think that matter yes, but do they to society at large is questionable. |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By Michelle Nelms on 4/8/2008 | | Brandon I realize you were the only one so far, who really answered the question. I'm afraid because it's true. I couldn't agree with you more. Great post! |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By gittysbug on 4/9/2008 | | By Bishop Keith on 4/5/2008-My code name is gittysbug-use to be Franklin- I use this for all of the blogs I participate on. I will always take the position that Jesus took or takes. To answer your question I will us the scripture from Matt 15:2,17-20, “Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread…Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; Mt. 12.34 and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: these are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.” In Matt 5, the words look, lust and heart are connected to show the results of person intentions. The intent is to carry out the act, but an obstacle prevented it. Jesus said our heart is the motivating factor behind the actions that our bodies commit. James 1:15 “Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin; and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” Even though we didn’t outwardly carry out the act, the act was performed by our heart. If we confess our sins, He is faithful to forgive us. Therefore the preacher is incorrect. |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By gittysbug on 4/9/2008 | | By Michelle Nelms on 4/8/2008- Bishop Brady gave examples of cultural marriage vows. There are many. Many denominations write their, and many marriage candidates write their. In some cultures they don’t even have vows. Is the vow more important than marriage or is marriage more important than the vows? It’s like Rex Lex or Lex Rex. I attended a wedding of a friend years ago and the vows read, “as long as you both love each other...” The continuation of marriage should not be predicated on whether you think you love the person. We are conditional being. We change because a person doesn’t take out the trash or buy flowers. From the inception of marriage to death, we have felt a one time not in love or that the other person didn’t love us. Such is the reality of life. The marriage institution can not be put asunder, but the marriage vow is being challenged. |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By A. Glenn Brady on 4/9/2008 | | I've enjoyed the comments, but remember "vows" are important and sacred. I'm reminded of the scripture in Ecclesiastes 5:5, "Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay." When 2 people stand at the altar of marriage, it is a sacred moment and the giving & receiving of vows are important. There is a commitment to God. Our society today does not want to make commitment or be disiciplined. Since many enter marriage without any counseling, they have no idea of what it means to make a vow, as well as to make the marriage workl. |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By gittysbug on 4/9/2008 | | Dr. Brady, you are absolutely correct. I don’t see in the Bible or in the sacred books any mention of vows when it comes to marriage, even though it may be assumed. Marriage comes with an inclusive vow that states, ‘until death do us part.’ Here then is the next question, are we asking the question if public vows are been broken or if the inclusive and conclusive vows are being broken because we no longer respect marriage. When they made same sex legal and became tolerant to common law relationships, they opened the door for people to disrespect the sanctity of marriage. What do you say? |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By Michelle Nelms on 4/9/2008 | | To gittysbug and to anyone else...Remember God's Words will always stand, and IT CHANGE NOT, for His Word stand forever and ever, but it is not true for mankind, for he will wither away like the grass, and so will his ways ( laws changes constantly). <br>Now concerning sex outside of marriage......Hebrews 13:4 <br>Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for GOD WILL JUDGE THE ADULTERERS and all the sexually immoral (from living bible version). Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and aduterers GOD will judge (from king james version).<br>These regarding same sex.......Mark 10:6-9<br>"But from the beginning of creation God made them MALE and FEMALE. 7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 8 And they twain( two) shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain but one flesh. 9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder (to separate). The same is found in<br>"Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife: and they shall be one flesh..................The word woman...and what it means...Genesis 2:18 And God said it is not good that the man shall be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 21 And God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept:and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof. 22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from (man), made he a( woman), and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, this is now bone (OF MY BONES), and flesh (OF MY FLESH): SHE SHALL BE CALLED "WOMAN", BECAUSE SHE WAS "TAKEN OUT OF MAN." ...and not the other way around....and for the rest of the scriptures concerning marriage and the vows go to the following website......http://www.agentz.com/contents/wedding/<br><br><br> |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By Michelle Nelms on 4/9/2008 | | This is an excellent bible website that provides marital answers with scriptures for most typical questions www.agentz.com/contents/wedding/ |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By gittysbug on 4/10/2008 | | Michelle Nelms on 4/9/2008- I checked out the website. Thanks. I appreciate your expository on this subject matter. You don’t have to be married to show forth the truth of God’s word concerning marriage. Thanks. |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By Michelle Nelms on 4/10/2008 | | ahhh gittysbug...You're welcome my friend. I hope it helped. God bless you! |
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| Re: Do Marriage Vows Mean Anything Anymore? | By Jacquie on 6/23/2008 | | Marriage vows are certainly sacred and I agree with Dr. Brady. Often during the process of the twain becoming one, our committment and communication some whiddle away. But on the human side without going to the scriptures, my mother always told me why buy the cow when you can get the milk free. I know several people "shacking" and isn't it funny none married. The don't want the commitment nor the responsibility. Like the Bible says wanting a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof. Same with shacking, wanting the appearance of marriage but denying the responsibility amd commitment. Without marriage, it is easy to walk away, what is there to lose? |
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